here are the issues:

TLDR: Where to pickup a proper good girl?

and how to court the lady (without the awks/being creepy)?

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As a shy kinda guy, out of school/uni and working in a job with ancient dinosaurs (pple with families), my options for finding a long term partner are quite limited.

The only times I really go out is gym, climbing and seeing friends on occasion for an escape/food/other event. I also try to expose myself to online dating but most girls are just ghosts, they dont talk at all.

Gym setting: now this is like playing with dynamites, because i see lots of female complaints on social media stating that in a gym setting most females want to be left alone. I get it the gym is like a place of do your own thing, get out and don’t impair the progress with socializing. My one female friend said that is the general rule of thumb, “us ladies dont want to socialize in a gym setting”, and another female friend said thats not true. I tried warming up by socializing with a few guys by genuinely complimenting what they do or wear as a convo starter and 9/10 they’re more than happy to socialize. Now turn it around to a female at the gym, those compliments are as risky as trying to attempt a fart during an onset of diarrhea. I could either be easily labelled as a creep or make it very awk or uncomfortable for them. The furthest i progressed is asking how many sets are left…

How does one finesse a woman at the gym? or is it even ok to do that?

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Climbing setting: this is more of a social setting but sometimes pple are in the own cliques and its difficult to mesh with others. When there’s a cute girl around i turn into a mute, but with mostly everyone else i’m ok with socializing.

How do I deal with the silence and shyness that i have already established?

How would you finesse a lady here?

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Online dating: i’ve had piss poor luck here. I get the feeling that women here have high and unrealistic expectations. Yes I got a few matches maybe (10ish) but only 2-3 of them responded. The more successful conversation is when i started with a funny flirty line i had to borrow online after my failed attempts. I’m not sure i want to continue looking here because the women here seem shallow and look for an immediate spark which i find is fairy-tail like and annoying.

Should I continue online dating and how would I finesse ladies here?

I’m not a clubber, I don’t like loud gatherings of people (downtown) so I’m not sure where else to look to find a good lady.

I know some obvious rules like:

\-Dont stare

\-Dont compliment sexual areas of a woman’s body

\-Dont back them into a corner, respect personal space

I appreciate all suggestions, comments, and tough love.

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