I’m aware that there are several secessionist movements, but it seems they’re mainly fringe. I also know that technically, secession from the US is prohibited by the constitution.

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  1. None of these groups are popular, they’re extremely fringe and not taken seriously at all.

  4. No. Occasionally people float the idea but its not something that is even remotely being seriously considered.

  5. Hawaii? I dunno, but I’ve never heard people jump to denounce them the way Texit, Calexit or Alaxit are.

  7. Hawaii and Texas tend to be the most “popular” ones due to historical context reasons.

  9. They are very popular.. in select enclaves that are dealing with the problems that led to the idea of secession forming. Step 5 minutes away from those few enclaves and there’s no thought whatsoever about them. Very localized because of extremely different needs in locations.

  10. The [State of Jefferson](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state) is probably the one I see the most support for, in the form of stickers depicting the seal of the “state of Jefferson” all over the proposed territory of the state.

    Of course, it’s a movement to secede from two other *states,* not from the United States in general, which probably makes it more palatable to a lot of its supporters. Also I suspect some of the support for it is more “I don’t like the California/ Oregon government, and this sticker communicates that,” and some of it is for the novelty of a proposed new state.

  11. In western New York there is or was the State of Genesee movement, not to secede from the country but from eastern New York, basically New York City and the Hudson Valley region including Albany, because of the belief by some in western New York that the state government is wholly focused on NYC to the detriment of the rest of the state. The movement never really got any traction.

  12. The US is pretty much the only large (land area) country that doesn’t have at least a semi-serious secessionist movement within its borders.

    How connected we are, beginning with the founding the post office, is what made that possible. This video explains the history: https://youtu.be/Nu2WOxXxsHw

  13. Puerto Rico’s isn’t exactly a secessionist movement but their Independence Party candidate received a record 13.5% vote in the 2020 election for governor, and they have one seat each in the territorial House and Senate.

    Other than that, you’re correct, it’s entirely a fringe movement with virtually no electoral support. Texas, Hawaii, and Alaska are probably most prominent but that’s not saying much.

  14. No, nothing like other countries that I’m aware of. I think the largest secessionist movements are actually parts of states wanting to divide into more states. Like Northern California.

  16. It may not be popular among most people in Hawaii but it’s a popular idea among native Hawaiians

  17. Few people belive in actual secesion and its uselly only brought up after presidential elections and laughed out the door.

    Even then most people who bring it up don’t want actual succession they just want to open up discussion about who has legitimate powers where and what defines the state itself and how much it owes the federal government or how much the federal government owes it.

    Similar prospect with state secesion movements like Jefferson.

  18. In Puerto Rico anywhere from 1% to 5% of people support independence. That’s far more than any other.

  20. Not from the national government, but a substantial number of people in western Oregon want to break off and join Idaho instead (the “Greater Idaho” movement).

  21. No, not really, nothing that actually has traction or popular well organized support. Even among the right-wing nuts, it’s a minority. Plus, if any of those groups tried they would never actually garner enough support, but they sure make themselves look big and loud on the internet, it’s also a kind disgruntled “what-if” talking point in some media groups because it gets attention and sound dramatic. So it makes it seem like it’s a much more widespread belief than it actually is. Most of the “real” secessionist can barely form complete logical thoughts much less successfully and forcefully separate themselves from the country and become autonomous among majority populations in their respective states that actually want NO SUCH THING to happen. sure they might want it, but what about the other millions in their cities that run their economies that do not want it? When you really start to look at it objectively, combined with the fact a state can not even legally vote themselves out as it’s against federal law and the constitution, you start to see that not only is it highly, highly unlikely its close to impossible. Although never completely impossible, there would need to he some very cataclysmic society ending events accompanying it for that to happen, and if it did, America would likely not be the only country undergoing dramatic changes.

  22. I think the proposal to separate California into several states gets more support compared to secessionist movements and that’s maybe 0.4% more support compared to 0.3% support

  24. Most of the states that make this kinda noise could never survive on their own. They generally receive way more tax money than they put in. Just ask Mitch McConnell

  25. Popular support? No.

    The only semi-notable independence movements are in Texas, Hawaii, and Alaska, and even those are very fringe. Even the extreme minority of people who do claim to support these movements usually do so as a sort of protest rather than genuine support for sucession.

    There are movements with popular support to create new states or change the borders of current states, though. The most notable of these is the greater Idaho movement, in which many people in eastern Oregon want eastern Oregon to instead become join Idaho. Many counties in Oregon have already voted to support the border change, but they don’t really have legal grounds to do so, even if it’s popular

  27. Do they exist yes, popular no.

    The secessionist party in Alaska managed to get someone elected to the governor office once. It didn’t really go anywhere.

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