**TL;DR** I no longer look up to or admire my wife as a person – am I being an idiot when thinking about divorce or is it the only option?

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My wife and I met in college. We had incredible chemistry and come from similar cultural backgrounds. We had so many firsts together I can’t even count. She taught me what love even means. I thought she was perfect: ambitious, smart, gorgeous, independent, positive, and she really loved me. She’s so special to me because of what we’ve gone through together and the ways in which she has helped me become a better person.But as we’ve gotten older, a lot of this has changed.

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Today, there is a lot about her personality that I don’t particularly like or admire. We both even agree that if we weren’t married, we’re not sure we would have made it past a few dates because our values feel really different.

For example, it really matters to me that my life partner is financially savvy and career-smart. It doesn’t need to be her whole life, but she needs to be able to provide for herself and save for the future, no matter how little, without requiring a man. If someone doesn’t have that mindset, there’s nothing wrong with them as a person (different strokes for different folks) but I’m just not attracted to them. I think partly this is because I come from a very traditional background where a woman’s main job is to be a housewife and raise the kids while the father provides financially. I’ve seen just how often this led to toxic dependencies and power dynamics between men and women in my community and it eroded women’s agency because they couldn’t survive without the men. So now I most admire women who recognize that it’s their imperative to be independent and understand the importance of financial independence in a healthy relationship. Where we live (USA) this is 100% doable as we’re both college educated and work in tech, so it’s not like her skills don’t qualify her to be financially responsible.

Initially, she fit the bill perfectly. After college she was working with some of the biggest music stars in the world because of how good she was, you would honestly think I was bullshitting you if I told you who. I couldn’t believe it myself. And she got there by being incredibly smart, dedicated, and driven. And while yes it was cool that she worked with big names, I honestly just loved her drive and passion, not the clout. But now, it feels like she has given up on herself and her intelligence and power. For the past 2 years she has worked in a dumpster fire of a company that has severely underpaid her by about 30% of market rate. Whenever I tell her to get a better job, the one she deserves, she says she’s scared about moving in the current economy. I get it – the economy is shit and it’s a scary time. But what’s the alternative? Roll over and keep eating shit at your current job? Where the fuck is your sense of fight? And we have savings, it’s not like she’d be out on the street if she lost her job. it’s also not clear to me that she’s even trying at all. Go apply for jobs, go to networking events, ask your professional contacts for referrals, take some courses that would make you a more attractive candidate, do something instead of just sitting around and moping about how hard it is to get a job. You don’t get to complain unless you put in the work. It has been years of her being too scared to even make a move.

Also, the areas in which she does show passion and intelligence are areas I just really don’t care for and sometimes I actively think are dumb. For example she’s a very aesthetically driven person, and spends spends so much time decorating and redecorating the house e.g: buying just the right wreath for the season, changing towels, changing the bedding to something new, keeping the house very clean, getting the “correct” flowers for the season etc.. which is fine but I personally don’t really care about that which sometimes makes her upset because she feels like what she “brings to our life” is not something I value. Which is true: I don’t care about decorations or aesthetics. Another example is that whenever she or we go out, she spends an enormous amount of time (somewhere between 30-60 minutes) taking pictures and videos and then making instagram stories or posts that I think less of her because of how self-absorbed it all feels.

On top of this, our savings or future prospects are not something she ever proactively asks about or has demonstrated care for. On multiple occasions she even expressed that she thinks it’s the man’s job to provide for the woman, even if there are no kids in the marriage. She wasn’t this way before we got married. Sometimes she backtracks when I get into arguments about it, but she always comes back to that view point when really pressed on the topic. I manage all of our savings and finances and I feel so alone in doing it because money and savings to me symbolize the future we’re building together, and the fact that I’m the only one interested in it makes me feel like I’m the one building and she’s just profiting off of that. I think she also has a real or borderline shopping addiction. On two occasions I’ve needed to bail her out of a huge (more than $15k) shopping credit card bill. Before I married her, I used to save and invest 50% of my income. When we got married, she had zero savings, so all our net worth came from me. In the 5 years we’ve been married our net worth has declined slowly every year because of her spending and lifestyle habits (lots of shopping, wants a lot of vacations, a lot of traveling to see her family, wants to live in a bigger house in a better location, etc.. which are all fair things to want as we get older but the result is she contributed net negative financially). It has taken me years and so much effort to get her to just stop spending so much money on shopping and finally this year for the first time since we’ve been married we’ve managed to save some money, but it has felt like pulling teeth, and she is doing it only because I essentially gave her an ultimatum that our marriage has no future without this.

To be clear I don’t need a wife so I can mooch off her income. But I don’t really respect a person in her situation (great education, skilled worker, good family, background etc..) who can’t stand on their own two feet. I just don’t view them as an equal if they can’t handle their shit financially speaking.

Another aspect that I really dislike about our marriage is our communication. She is not a particularly constructive communicator, and it takes so much work to have constructive disagreements with her. With literally any of my friends or coworkers I can hash out disagreements relatively quickly. But with her they drag on for days, weeks, or even months. There are so many ways where instead of just expressing something vulnerable like “hey, I feel bad about X and after thinking about it I think it’s because of Y and I want your support in working on that” or “I need you to change behavior Z because it so and so impact on me” instead she comes out guns blazing and calling me names and putting me down instead of just actually having the productive conversation that I would be glad to have even if it involved criticizing me. This is one of the things I hate the most about our dynamic because it causes us to spend so much time fighting and arguing about the pettiest shit when instead we could just be living our lives and having a good time and growing together.

We have no kids currently, and recently the topic of having kids came up and it made me realize that while she’d probably be great at many parts of caring for children, I don’t feel like I’d want her to be the mother of my children because I don’t think we’d share the same values about how we should raise our kids. I just can’t see myself having a great coparenting relationship with her when I don’t view her as an equal or someone I admire.

I keep hesitating about filing for divorce because despite everything I said above, I love my wife. Despite all of our disagreements and issues, we shared so much together and no one on planet earth knows me as well as she does. It almost brings me to tears thinking about actually ending our marriage. I’m also scared of what comes after. I feel like a divorce would financially reset me back to near-zero. I don’t know if I’ll ever find someone. Going through the process also feels terrifying. What will our friends and family say? We look picture perfect from the outside. I just feel so weighed down by all of this. On the other hand, we just turned 30, so if this isn’t going to work, we need to move on now so we can find someone else and start families.

Any advice from people who have gone through divorce or something similar?

12 comments
  1. Only you can decide if the cons outweigh the pros. Or vice versa. What do you want to do? Do you believe this person will be a good life partner and coparent?

    You’ve listed a lot of negatives. It sounds like you want to leave the relationship but are scared of the consequences. If so – you have to live your truth, no matter the consequences. Otherwise, can you look yourself in the mirror?

  2. > There are so many ways where instead of just expressing something vulnerable like “hey, I feel bad about X and after thinking about it I think it’s because of Y and I want your support in working on that” or “I need you to change behavior Z because it so and so impact on me” instead she comes out guns blazing and calling me names and putting me down instead of just actually having the productive conversation that I would be glad to have even if it involved criticizing me

    This would be the deal-breaker for me, along with the money stuff. For the record, you really shouldn’t marry someone you can’t disagree constructively with. Premarital counseling would likely have benefited your relationship, but hindsight is 20/20.

    Finances are repeatedly one of the most common reasons for divorce. She’s not compatible with you financially.

    Normally couples counseling is strongly recommended before divorce, but the *only* point it’s likely to help on is her name calling, and only if she actively wants to change. If she’s comfortable with who she is when you two argue, she won’t change… and even if she did, you’d still be looking at a marriage to someone you don’t respect.

    It sucks, but I do agree that divorce is likely the best option here. On the bright side, your divorce is likely to be relatively painless on the processing side. You both have careers, there aren’t children, etc. Your living place is likely to be the only real issue to deal with.

    Tell your friends and family that you grew apart, and you didn’t agree on finance stuff. You don’t have to go into specifics, just say that she’s a spender and you’re a saver, and you couldn’t agree.

    Divorce may set you back to zero, but once you do then saving will be much easier.

  3. >she comes out guns blazing and calling me names and putting me down instead of just actually having the productive conversation that I would be glad to have even if it involved criticizing me.

    When you’re at the point of mutual disrespect and disgust, it’s over.

  4. Your biggest problem with divorce is that it would “financially reset you to near zero”? I get the impression that you don’t love or respect your wife at all. Your driving force is money. Who cares what your family and friends say? It’s your life, not theirs.

    I can guarantee that your wife is also thinking about divorce. Why not just put yourselves out of your misery and do it?

  5. I just want to say that you’re going to find similar stuff with literally every other person out there. It might not be those exact differences but it will be just as petty and there will be just as many or more. No one is that identical with their partner.

  6. I mean, I guess you could give her some tough love and advise her you have spoken to an attorney and will be moving forward with divorce if there’s no agreement made in so much time. Maybe that’ll slap her awake to at least communicate more effectively. Realize how serious you are. If not, you’re already ahead of the game and on your way out.

    Updateme

  7. This sounds like a great situation for marriage counseling (and marriage counseling does not mean divorce!). These are big topics that are tough to discuss, and it can be really useful to have a neutral mediator there to make space for conversations and help reframe your thinking so you can have productive conversations on your own, too.

    I’m not a relationship therapist, but my husband and I went to relationship counseling before we got married to talk through a lot of these kinds of things (not the religious kind).

  8. Man, this sounds incredibly tough, and I’m sorry you’re experiencing this. It’s clear there’s a lot of history, love, and complexity in your relationship with your wife.

    First off, your feelings and concerns are valid. It’s totally understandable to want a partner who shares your financial and life values. The way you describe her change over time, especially concerning her work ethic, shopping habits, and your financial future, is concerning. Plus, the communication breakdowns you’re describing sound exhausting and frustrating.

    The most glaring thing to me is that you mention not viewing her as an equal and not wanting her to be the mother of your children based on your current dynamics. Those are big feelings, and they’re not ones to gloss over.

    Divorce is a massive step, and it’s understandable to feel a lot of hesitation, especially given your history together. But your future happiness and well-being are essential too. If you feel like counseling or therapy (either individually or as a couple) is an option, I’d strongly recommend exploring it. It can help both of you get clarity, even if that clarity leads to the decision to part ways.

    You also mention the fear of what comes after a potential divorce. It’s a natural feeling, but remember that starting fresh can also open up new opportunities for happiness, even if it’s challenging at first. Your long-term happiness and peace are paramount.

    Many people have navigated similar situations, and while it’s hard, they’ve found ways to either mend their relationships or move on to more fulfilling chapters in their lives.

    Hang in there and do what’s best for you. Whatever you decide, make sure it’s a decision that looks out for your long-term happiness and well-being.

  9. Financially you will both take a hit but you’ll be fine.

    Whenever I argue with my partner I stop to think “am I having this argument with him alone, or would I have this argument with another guy too” if it’s the latter I’m the problem and I have to do some fixing on myself.

    I can advise you to start therapy even before you start the divorce procedure. With every new relationship we take our suitcases with expectations and fears and trauma and unsolved arguments…. Don’t take that personally that goes for each and every one of us.

    It’s not wrong but you seem excessively financially motivated. While most men would be happy their wife works a good job, you seem to want to push her by taking a better job, or better PAID at least. It’s not wrong. It’s just your drive. It’s valid. It’s fine. It’s not narcissistic. It is just not as common and so with that in mind when you find a new woman to start a relationship with …. when will enough $$$ be enough?

  10. Don’t fall for the ‘sunken cost fallacy’. While you have invested yourself in this relationship for years-that doesn’t mean that you need to stick around. From what you wrote-your marriage has been over for sometime, and I suspect that she is aware of that also.
    You have already decided.

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