At this police station, there's a sign saying "All civilian employees must go through security check". Why is that as I assume they are all vetted. If I can't trust the people I work with then what's the point?
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Can’t be too cautious. What if they’re smuggling things in for people on the inside? It’s not a matter of what they’ll do for their co-workers, it’s a matter of what they could be doing for the inmates.
Lol…dude, there are security checks at my work despite everyone there having a security clearance. We’ve all been thoroughly vetted.
But security in sensitive areas doesn’t just end with checking one time to make someone is cool. It’s ongoing. Expecting otherwise is silly.
This is a pretty basic security measure in the context of law enforcement and corrections honestly. Smuggling or what not can happen.
Yeah, I’d say that’s pretty unusual. In most places civilian employees are going to have access cards and stuff. It’s stupid to make your civilian employees go through a security checkpoint but not uniformed ones.
If you are going into a secured area , like a police station, then there are some form of security check. It can range from a simple id check to more in depth security procedures, depending on what kind of secured area you are accessing. This isn’t an American thing. This is a security thing.
We literally just had a mass shooting at a school. If you can’t trust a 14 year old student, who can you trust? It’s an absolute shame on our nation that these things are necessary, but they are, and we are aware of the problem.
Going on a bit of a rant, Europeans love to shit on us for gun violence like we don’t know about it. Of course we fucking know about it. We live here. This is our life. These are our kids. You guys know about it because for whatever reason you’re hyper focused on our news. But patronizing 16 year old Germans on reddit aren’t going to change our culture. We need change from within. Idk. I’m just tired of Europeans thinking its funny to respond to us jokingly jabbing them about bland food or whatever with school shooting and healthcare jokes. What part about kids dying is funny?
Insider threats have been a thing throughout history. Sadly, there have been MANY cases where people who’d been vetted went to the other side.
What do you think a security check is? It could be as simple as scanning a name badge. It’s not a full body cavity search.
You’re telling me the UK doesn’t have RF lockout IDs anywhere?
People can be corrupted. There are frequent stories about prison workers and prison inmates forming illicit relationships. And that often leads to the person with access to the outside bringing in things for the person on the inside or helping them escape even.
https://www.insideedition.com/married-prison-worker-details-affair-inmate-you-make-yourself-justify-why-it-ok-48433
I realize this is a police department and not a prison, like in the story above, but it’s still a law enforcement context and no doubt there are holding cells in the police department for people who have been arrested or detained. What kind of things get to them needs to be controlled.
People can be compelled to bring things into a secure area. If you *don’t* check them and take it on faith, that makes a nice exploitable hole in your security.
That’s pretty common for sensitive spaces.
Security checks verify their identify and clearance, check them for prohibited items, etc. ALL secure facilities in all countries will have such a checkpoint to varying degrees. It is not a uniquely American thing.
It’s the same at the sheriff’s office I’m a deputy for, all civilian employees are vetted but still you can’t be too careful. It’s not as in depth as the deputy backgroind check going through every place you’ve worked, lived, gone to school at, talking to everyone you’ve ever known, everything you’ve done online, and making sure you were never fired from another job for something major.
Civilian employees go through a criminal background check and then they talk to their friends, coworkers, family, and former employers. You can’t be too careful when it comes to security of a sheriff’s office which has prisoners etc. Along with that us patrol deputies have our firearms on us and a fuck ton of other weapons, civilians can’t have them
Police are supposed to be carrying weapons. Civilian employees are not.
What would be the point of having uniformed police go through security screening? “Yep, he’s armed, as expected, let him through”.
Because it’s a secure facility and the uniformed personnel have almost certainly gone through a much more thorough vetting process and have a higher level of access than regular maintenance personnel.
Even if it was unfair, it’s not about fairness it’s about security. If the security controls bother you then don’t work there.
My boyfriend worked for city of Seattle IT. They were the IT employees for the whole city, including the Seattle Police Department. His management chain of command was with IT, not the police department. He would have to go into the police department to fix computers other IT stuff. He was not vetted in the same way as police staff are. He was not subject to drug screening. In his personal life he could be very openly anti-police which would probably exclude an applicant for being hired as a police officer.
Also, based on my experience in a hospital — that door might have been exiting from a very secure area. Imagine active working area processing suspects. Not the space you want treated as a general hallway by every type of employee who makes the place run.
Makes sense, since they may have contact with people in custody
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Because police officers are the only ones permitted to be armed in the building. Walking through a metal detector is a pretty minimal ask.
Because the cop is wearing a gun, badge, ammo, vest, baton and 50 other lbs of gear and knows the guy on the other side of the door.
You mean that they should search the uniformed officers who are carrying firearms? Search them for what?
Because they can’t bring weapons in and the uniformed officers can. That’s it.
I work in a secure environment where civilian staff has to go through a metal detector and security doesn’t. Because security has handcuffs, a vest, a stun gun, a radio, and a work phone. Regular staff only has keys, a pen, and their wallet. If every security guard had to undress every time they entered the building nothing would get done